Friday, October 3, 2025

Peace in Our Time? You Never Know

I am in favor of it and I hope it happens, though I doubt it will. The 20-point peace plan proposed by the president would be a major win for Israel if—unlikely as it may be—it succeeds. Although some elements contradict my sense of what a workable peace plan requires, I believe that, with the right implementation, the overall deal could overcome my fears about the dangers of going forward. Even though there are risks that must be avoided, the fact that they can be addressed makes me think it might possibly work.

The major plus of this deal is that it solves many problems long thought unsolvable — not least the near-universal (though undeserved) condemnation of Israel’s conduct in the war with Hamas. The word ‘genocide’ has increasingly been used to describe Israel’s tactics. Despite the ignorance behind that usage, the label has badly damaged Israel’s reputation, which was quickly descending into an abyss. Many former supporters were abandoning Israel like rats leaving a sinking ship, driven by lies successfully foisted on an ill-informed media that ought to have known better.

It hardly matters that Israel’s cause and tactics are objectively just if the world refuses to recognize them. That is exactly what was happening. What this plan accomplishes — if implemented — is to restore Israel’s standing among the nations. Perhaps more importantly, it restores the likelihood of expanding the Abraham Accords. Broad Arab support for a peace deal signals acceptance of Israel’s right to exist and recognition that peace would benefit their own countries. That is unprecedented and, if it holds, has major positive implications for the future.

If you had asked me a few years ago whether major Arab states would want peace with Israel, I would have said it was impossible. Yet it has already happened with some, and the prospect of more seems real. Considering how Israel has been accused — even by non-Arab European countries — this turnaround is shocking in a most positive way.

It is equally remarkable that the plan was accepted by a prime minister many believed would accept nothing short of total victory over Hamas, his oft-stated goal. It’s true that Trump may have applied pressure, but Netanyahu would not sell out his country to a future filled with repeated October 7th massacres if he thought that was a likely outcome. I think he believes, at some level and under the right conditions, the plan can work. Alternatively, if Hamas rejects the deal, Netanyahu can finish the job with the full blessing of his major ally, the United States.

Let’s look at the details as I understand them to see why this possibility exists. First and perhaps foremost, the deal begins with the release of all the hostages — no exceptions. That will involve a total ceasefire and the release of 250 prisoners currently held in Israeli custody, most captured after October 7th. Hamas will be dismantled. Gaza will be demilitarized, and a transitional government will be established that will not immediately include the PA; the PA may return to a role once it demonstrates genuine reform. There will be a stabilization force under international supervision whose members will be subject to Israel’s approval. The plan has wide international support — France, Germany, Russia, Spain, the UAE, Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan, Indonesia, Pakistan, and the UK among them. A poll of Israelis found strong support for the plan. This kind of agreement is unprecedented and sends a message to BDS supporters that the civilized world does not share their aims — including many Arab states.

As I indicated at the outset, there are many flies in the ointment. The biggest is the root cause: the cradle-to-grave indoctrination of virulent Jew-hatred in the Arab world, especially among Palestinians. Unless and until that changes — perhaps through major educational reform included in the peace plan — the deal won’t stand a chance. I don’t know whether that change is part of the plan, but without a determined, sustained effort to alter the anti-Jewish educational paradigm, the agreement is unlikely to succeed. For what it’s worth - my support is conditional on that change.

A poll of Israelis found that about 70% favor the plan, though only about 12% believe it has a real chance of success. That’s pretty much how I feel.

For starters, Hamas has already indicated it will not accept the deal. Frankly, I don’t see why they would. They gain nothing except exile from their people. They don’t seem to care about the hostages or about additional Palestinian casualties that would result if they reject the plan. I don’t think it’s an if — they will reject the plan. That means Israel will finish the job with the full blessing of the U.S., however many additional civilian casualties occur.

For me it’s a win/win either way. Either there will finally be a sustainable peace, backed by the Israeli people and nearly all major international players, or Hamas will be defeated at the cost of many more Palestinian deaths and widespread suffering among survivors — after which the two-state solution will likely be discarded. Personally, I am hoping for the former.

25 comments:

  1. President insisting that Israel apologize to Qatar big Hamas supporter and US promising aid to Qatar if attacked which Israel has never received from US shows that Israel not most important country in Mid East for Israel. Also DJT closeness to Edrogan not good for Israel. We don't know yet what will happen Hamas might request small technical improvement. If Israel continues attacks on Gazan ;population even if arguendo Trump OKs until nest civilian casualty picture comes in-how much lower Western and US support go for Israel. War strategic disaster.

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    1. https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-big-winner-of-trumps-plan-to-end-the-war-in-gaza-is-qatar/

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    2. Svetlova is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Even though she may be right about Qatar’s sordid history WRT terrorist entities, that doesn’t mean Netanyahu’s apology is all that humiliating, and more importantly it doesn’t mean that his peace plan won’t be successful, in fact. That Watar support s it is a good thing not a bad thing.

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    3. I can't quite decide whether your obsessive attempt to convince the rest of us that Harris (or anyone, really) would have been better for Israel than Trump is a result of your own attempt to soothe your own conscience over having voted for her, or a result of your actually believing this nonsense, either because you are a yellow-dog Democrat or because your ornery and disputative. Whatever it is, it doesn't speak well of you.

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    4. FWIW I did not say Harris will be better for Israel and likely might have been worse-just not sure-but I did repeatedly say it is pure nonsense to say things such as Trump clearly pro-Israel. It has never been true-so far but closer than many might think better than Obama , Reagan, both Bushes. Show me where I ever said Harris would be better than Trump-simply said we don't know

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  2. those with unrepentant TDS are finding Trump's 21 point plan supported overwhelmingly by Israelis, capped by today's deadline, difficult to criticize; but fear not they will probably continue to try rather rather than admit to completely misreading what is happening.

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    1. If as Bibi has maintained it would a loss for Israel if Hamas not kicked out of Gaza-well they can stay there now-just say won't attack Israel-maybe promise to study Daf Yomi. It is the Trumpists who won't admit that he just signed giving Qatar bigger defense shield than Israel-Qatar home of Al Jazeera-have problems with them but none with Hamas staying in Gaza. Interesting what those with Trump Devotion Syndrome can come up with.

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    2. As an unrepentant TDSer, I see the plan as an interesting, even appealing, starting point to normalization in the Middle East, if (i) Hamas agreed to it, and (ii) if Israel does its part by withdrawing from Gaza at the agreed-upon point. But I don’t see either (i) or (ii) happening.

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    3. I love you , my Landsman. Especially when you are dead wrong in your predictions

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    4. I’m’

      I’m not sure about Hamas, but I think Bibi will keep his word about a phased withdrawal from Gaza if the hostages are released.

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    5. How did 21 become 20? What was deleted?
      No provision for educational reform and indoctrinational reform.
      No provision to stop paying terrorists for killing Jews.
      What happens when Hamas wins the election (which the plan seems to call for)?
      No commitment to stop attacking or killing Israelis within the Green Line. Or attacking or killing overseas. (Or demonstrating on overseas college campusses.)

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    6. Does anyone seriously believe that DJT has more feeling for Israel than the Gulf States-after all who can invest with him better with aircraft and money for him and his family. He might like them anyway more than Israel-he likes wealthy and dictators-here get a twofer with Hamas Banker Qatar

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    7. Anonymous 11:49 was me, No_name

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  3. Here is the text of the peace plan (link free for 30 days)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-cease-fire-plan-text.html?unlocked_article_code=1.qk8.EsCU.mUVgN0gk_B3d&smid=url-share

    It is based on a 21-point plan by Tony Blair, which as been adapted (in negotiations with Israel) to become a 20 point plan.

    It amounts to total victory, except for the amnesty and the release of prisoners. All the other things that can be touted as concessions aren't concessions. Israel did not want to occupy Gaza permanently, nor to limit food, or expel any of the population of Gaza. These were Arab propaganda accusations. It does not offer amnesty to Netanyahu or any Israelis because Netanyahu denes the accusation of genocide etc. and the legitimacy of the ICC or any court and he did not want to implicitly acknowledge guilt by asking for any amnesty.

    It says that Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. I asserts some Arab states will guarantee it. ``

    It proposes to de0radcalize Gaza by saying:

    An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mind-sets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

    (It's portraying hostliity as religion based and makes a bow toward claiming Israelis maybe do not want peace but that''s a minor defect)

    It hints at Israel's requirement that the PA abandon it;s pay for slay policy and change its texbooks by saying:

    "This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

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    1. Not total victory for Israel-they could have had similar deal not forcing Hamas out of Gaza more than 1.5 years ago-but Bibi because of Trump pressure had to accept deal that Hamas supporting Qatar wants. Bibi can't say boo-no pace else to go-he antagonized Dems big time.

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  4. The biggest fly in the ointment. is that Hamas hasn't agreed to this. But an agreement is necessary in any case, just as it was necessary for Japan to officially surrender in 1845, because otherwise we are unlikely to see all the hostages released, and the dead bodies returned or Hamas effectively disarmed, or the war end.

    The question is: Can Qatar (maybe with the help of Israel) force Hamas to surrender. and does it want to. They've just been guaranteed no further attacks in Qatar by Israel.

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  5. +Trump has given Hamas a deadline of 6 pm Sunday to agree or else all ell will break loose. That worked once before, in January. before a ceasefire and hostage release. (The last phases of the agreement weren't satisfactory to Israel - it was actually an agreement to discuss, not an agreement, and Israel always warned that it would be free to resume the war if good things did not happen)

    AND NOW:

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/hamas-agrees-to-release-all-israeli-hostages-under-trump-gaza-plan-9392776

    But they still want to bargain. They are not yet ready to give up power and weapons

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  6. But Trump with anmbiguous response by Hamas ordered Israel to stop bombing Gaza

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  7. https://archive.is/lwGt5 BB squeezed by Hamas and Trumps implied acceptance of a no cloaked in yes. al tivtchui bindivim

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  8. Eventually, even the most TDS infected individuals will have to admit that Trump deserves the Nobel prize for what he, Witcoff, Kushner, etc. accomplished.

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    1. or Trump will join even in the most devoted Trump followers many previous world leaders who have pressured Israel
      https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-869485
      can add Lester Pearson who won a Nobel Peace Prize for pressuring Israel. Of course he has Toronto airport named after him political rival John Diefenbaker who was pro-Israel has JNF Forest named after him.

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    2. Read
      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-gaza-deal.html

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  9. Trump is squeezing Netanyahu very hard. It seems as of today Hamas is willing to release the hostages but not to give up its arms, assist in identifying the tunnels, or give up all participation in future governance of Gaza. Trump wants to negotiate further rather than to declare Hamas’s position as tantamount to a rejection of the peace plan. Netanyahu would have egg all over his face should he go along with Trump, and would likely be forced to find find new coalition partners in order to stay in office. Should Netanyahu resist, Trump would put the screws on him.

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  10. Essentially should not be a surprise-Trump respects wealth especially wealth that came come to him-Israel can't compete with Gulf states wealth-so can't compete with oil wealth

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